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In response to: Firefox 4 Beta: Bringing Hardware Acceleration

voracity [Visitor] — Thu, 09 Sep 2010 06:01:21 +0000

@Eric: The DirectWrite examples look a little better to me overall, but they seem to be using a form of ClearType that looks *much* worse (on my monitor, at least) than the ClearType in the non-DirectWrite examples. I see much more "rainbowing" in the DirectWrite examples. Is that what you're seeing?

In response to: Firefox 4 Beta: Bringing Hardware Acceleration

Bas [Member] — Thu, 09 Sep 2010 02:27:53 +0000

@Moustafa: You're not reading ;-) That's why were are working on layers, which will offer accelerated compositing through OpenGL and Direct3D. However the additional performance win Direct2D had to offer our users could not just be ignored.

It would of course also be nice to have a decent(i.e. not OpenGL, not C-based, etc.) open standards graphics API.

In response to: Firefox 4 Beta: Bringing Hardware Acceleration

Moustafa [Visitor] — Thu, 09 Sep 2010 01:19:28 +0000

I'm sorry, but I thought Mozilla was committed to Open standards.

Wouldn't it have made more sense to have hardware acceleration via OpenGL? You know, the one created with Open standards in mind?

I have to say, this is most disappointing. It's as if each new iteration of Firefox is made to break my heart. :(

In response to: Firefox 4 Beta: Bringing Hardware Acceleration

Bas [Member] — Thu, 09 Sep 2010 01:05:19 +0000

@Someone:
If you're using the nightlies it might be worth trying to use it with the 'layers.accelerate-none' pref set to true. Accelerated layers are still very much in development and may not even be in the next beta release yet. So they might be causing your issues.

As for the font rendering options, sadly I'm not sure what they mean :(. The guys to ask would be nattokirai and jfkthame on irc.mozilla.org though. They are our font 'wizards' and know far, far more about fonts than I do.

In response to: Firefox 4 Beta: Bringing Hardware Acceleration

Someone [Visitor] — Thu, 09 Sep 2010 00:34:00 +0000

@Bas

I'm using nightlies since version v3.0. I'm a heavy user of the browser. Have it open all the time. It's stable, just a pity about the performance. I also try to update it every day.

It's great that the font rendering problem in the address bar is being resolved.

If the rendering of content is a consequence of using DirectWrite, then I've to accept it.

As I've said I'm using the nightlies daily, it's my default browser, I've gone through some rough days where Firefox was almost unusable. I has improved since then but it still nowhere near what it was before.

I'm using Windows 7.

I'll install Microsoft's patches as soon as they are available and will be using Grafx Bot to perform the tests.

I will take this opportunity to ask what the several font rendering options in the about:config mean:

always use for content
use for downloadable fonts
harfbuzz level

Thank you.

In response to: Firefox 4 Beta: Bringing Hardware Acceleration

Bas [Member] — Wed, 08 Sep 2010 23:37:24 +0000

@ZekeMX: OpenGL is more like D3D, and D3D and OpenGL will be used for other types of acceleration(layer acceleration).

Saying that is like saying we shouldn't work on windows at all, after all windows is closed source. Personally I also believe open source works for us, and for a bunch of my projects. But I feel no need to impose my principles upon others in order to work with them.

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ZekeMX [Visitor] — Wed, 08 Sep 2010 23:31:18 +0000

Ok, So, nothing like D2D will be available for Linux, so, why use D2D on the first place where you could probably had used OpenGL and make it work on any platform?.

Also, If Firefox is open source, wouldn't this make it a little bit not too open?.

In response to: Firefox 4 Beta: Bringing Hardware Acceleration

Eric [Visitor] — Wed, 08 Sep 2010 19:39:21 +0000

Fair enough. Thanks for the many responses - I'll try it again in the final release and see if things have gotten better. A preference flag would be appreciated for those of us who would like to potentially see other benefits of hardware acceleration but like the old text rendering. :)